Comments on: Men Aren’t Allowed To Discuss Abortion http://fecalagitator.com/2008/09/men-arent-allowed-to-discuss-abortion/ Here to keep it stirred up. Sat, 23 May 2009 05:15:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Donny http://fecalagitator.com/2008/09/men-arent-allowed-to-discuss-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-137 Donny Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:55:36 +0000 http://fecalagitator.com/?p=35#comment-137 What an excellent example of a straw man argument!! Your scenario, Nandini, lacks credibility at every juncture. Childbirth is not invasive, it's a natural consequense/result of one's previous behavior. Abortion is an invasive procedure, one the government never forces one into performing. What if we created a socitey where people were accountable for their behavior rather than a society where one can absolutely avoid all responsibility under the rouseof disguising fetal murder as a 'civil liberty?' What an excellent example of a straw man argument!! Your scenario, Nandini, lacks credibility at every juncture. Childbirth is not invasive, it’s a natural consequense/result of one’s previous behavior. Abortion is an invasive procedure, one the government never forces one into performing. What if we created a socitey where people were accountable for their behavior rather than a society where one can absolutely avoid all responsibility under the rouseof disguising fetal murder as a ‘civil liberty?’

]]> By: Christopher Davidson http://fecalagitator.com/2008/09/men-arent-allowed-to-discuss-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-121 Christopher Davidson Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:49:17 +0000 http://fecalagitator.com/?p=35#comment-121 Nandini, thank you so much for the comment. >>Here’s what you did: You gave backrubs (maybe; I’m guessing). You spoke comforting words. You held her hand. You looked into her eyes.>> That does not even to begin to explain what I did to make sure she was comfortable and taken care of 24/7. It's making light of a situation claiming I did any less. To the rest of your statement, I don't think Government should have to step in, in regards to saving a child, forcing a parent to donate organs etc. They should want to do it on their own, however children cannot speak or fend for themselves, so yes the government should step in. Nandini, thank you so much for the comment.

>>Here’s what you did:

You gave backrubs (maybe; I’m guessing).
You spoke comforting words.
You held her hand.
You looked into her eyes.>>

That does not even to begin to explain what I did to make sure she was comfortable and taken care of 24/7. It’s making light of a situation claiming I did any less.

To the rest of your statement, I don’t think Government should have to step in, in regards to saving a child, forcing a parent to donate organs etc. They should want to do it on their own, however children cannot speak or fend for themselves, so yes the government should step in.

]]> By: Nandini http://fecalagitator.com/2008/09/men-arent-allowed-to-discuss-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-120 Nandini Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:49:28 +0000 http://fecalagitator.com/?p=35#comment-120 > > I suffered through HER back aches, [HER] inability to get comfortable, and [HER] morning sickness. Furthermore I held her hand the 13 hours of labor [SHE] had to endure and looked her in the eyes, to tell her it would be ok, when SHE received her epidural. Here's what you did: You gave backrubs (maybe; I'm guessing). You spoke comforting words. You held her hand. You looked into her eyes. Kudos to you for being a thoughtful and sensitive spouse. But don't pretend that the pregnancy was something YOU "suffered through". That is the exact attitude that leads women to be hostile to your views on abortion. I have a question for you, Christopher. Do you believe that the government should force parents to donate organs to children who will die without them? Say, a spare kidney. Or maybe bone marrow. The parent is the only match. But the parent doesn't want to donate - maybe because this biological parent gave up his child for adoption years ago and feels no connection whatsoever to the child. Should the government step in and force the parent to undergo invasive surgery, spinal taps, etc in order to save the child's life? I submit to you that there is no difference between forced bone marrow donation and forced childbirth. In both situations, children did not ask to be conceived, and are completely innocent creatures dependent on the biological parent to save their life. In both situations, the parent is forced to only undergo temporary pain and temporary invasive medical procedures. If anything, pregnancy lasts way longer and causes more discomfort than a spinal tap to remove bone marrow. If you're in favour of forced childbirth, you are in favour of forced organ donations from parent to child. Think about it. Does a person have no right to bodily integrity? > > I suffered through HER back aches, [HER] inability to get comfortable, and [HER] morning sickness. Furthermore I held her hand the 13 hours of labor [SHE] had to endure and looked her in the eyes, to tell her it would be ok, when SHE received her epidural.

Here’s what you did:

You gave backrubs (maybe; I’m guessing).
You spoke comforting words.
You held her hand.
You looked into her eyes.

Kudos to you for being a thoughtful and sensitive spouse. But don’t pretend that the pregnancy was something YOU “suffered through”. That is the exact attitude that leads women to be hostile to your views on abortion.

I have a question for you, Christopher. Do you believe that the government should force parents to donate organs to children who will die without them? Say, a spare kidney. Or maybe bone marrow. The parent is the only match. But the parent doesn’t want to donate – maybe because this biological parent gave up his child for adoption years ago and feels no connection whatsoever to the child. Should the government step in and force the parent to undergo invasive surgery, spinal taps, etc in order to save the child’s life?

I submit to you that there is no difference between forced bone marrow donation and forced childbirth. In both situations, children did not ask to be conceived, and are completely innocent creatures dependent on the biological parent to save their life. In both situations, the parent is forced to only undergo temporary pain and temporary invasive medical procedures. If anything, pregnancy lasts way longer and causes more discomfort than a spinal tap to remove bone marrow.

If you’re in favour of forced childbirth, you are in favour of forced organ donations from parent to child. Think about it. Does a person have no right to bodily integrity?

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